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    Staff Rulings and ECL - Season 3 Playoff Pairs - Round 2

    Hey NHL Gamers,

    As most of you probably have noticed, there's been some controversy between the teams Synergy Hockey and Silver Sword Griffins. We will start this post off by laying down the information and staff ruling in this case and finish off with the round 2 matchups.

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    The NHL Gamers staff was approached yesterday (3.1.)  with Synergy Hockey (from here on SYN) asking what to do, when it's the last day and Silver Sword Griffins (from here on SSG) can't play. We instructed that the games need to be played yesterday. SYN was available to play, while SSG replied to them "I told you yesterday that we can't. We don't have to play with a suboptimal roster just because you couldn't play at all last two weeks" and adding "We could've finished yesterday but see Pelle I think it was who called it a night at 10pm. And now we have to adapt to that?".

    Here are the bullet points that we gathered from talking to both teams:

    • The teams were supposed to play their first games on the 20th of December. SSG cancelled at the last minute due to "problems with personal relationship between our RW and G".
    • SYN had before these games communicated to SSG that they can't play until the 2nd of January due to Christmas and New Years plans. 
    • As the games on the 20th were cancelled, SYN was able to offer another opportunity to play on the 22nd of January, where they played (according to their description) with a non-optimal line-up, in order to get the series started. SSG won both of the two games that were played. Series 0-2.
    • The second batch of games were to be played, as agreed, on the 2nd of January.  SYN asked before the games "How many games today (at most). 3?", to which SSG replied "yeah, something like that". SYN won the first game, SSG won the second game (making the series 1-3), after which SYN asked "One more?" and SSG replied "yeah".
    • After the third game of the evening (SYN won and made the series 2-3), SSG asks "can you keep playing?", but SYN says that they can't and asks if SSG can play the next day. It is also explained that one of their players has already went to sleep. 13 minutes later, at 22:07 Swedish time, SSG says that they can't play on Wednesday, which is the last day of the first round.
    • Neither teams are directly asking for WO's, but as time has run out and we're past the extra allocated day, we can not continue to give out more time for the series.

     

    The criteria on which we made our decision:

    • We do not believe either team to have purposefully ended up in this situation.
    • SYN was unavailable to play for a lot of evenings, however they did communicate this very clearly and were available to play on 4 occasions (20th, 22nd, 2nd and 3rd). SSG says they were ready to play on all default days.
    • SSG didn't at any point contact the staff about any issues with the series. Only after being asked to play on the last day (3rd of Jan), they started communicating with the staff. Their explanation is that SYN was largely unavailable and that they are to be blamed for the situation.
    • SSG claims they thought the 2nd of Jan was the correct date, as communicated earlier (before adding the extra day). Their point is valid about the clarity of the staff's communication and it is noted, but doesn't validate their unclear communication.
    • As mentioned above, SSG made a comment about not agreeing to play with a "suboptimal" roster on the last day of the playoffs. They later commented to the staff that this was said out of frustration and wasn't accurate, and that they actually didn't have the appropriate amount of players to play.
    • SSG did not communicate to SYN on time that they won't be able to continue the series on Tuesday. They only communicated this after some of SYN had left after the games on Monday. SYN asked up front how many games will be played and "one more" and not at any point was it mentioned that the series will have to be finished on Monday.

    After hearing both sides and investigating this case thoroughly - we have made the tough decision that Synergy Hockey advances to the second round of playoffs with WO's against the Silver Sword Griffins. We would like to remind everyone that the staff works as a team and there are votes on the difficult matters. The vote in this case was not unanimous, but this decision was supported by the majority.

    Walkovers at this stage are unfortunate but all teams need to be aware of the deadlines and due to the extra time already allocated, for the greater good, the NHLGamer Staff is forced to make this decision so the second round can start as promised.

    We've done our best to describe above, that we do believe both teams have made mistakes in this series. With better communication, these issues could've been avoided. The staff would've been happy to step in and do our best to help at an earlier stage. Bringing things up on the last possible day is not the approach that we want to encourage.  

     

    Below are the second round pairings. Second round of playoffs is to be played 4. - 10.1.

    Laser HT - TIKI TALK
    Aapon Taikasauva - Fat Cats
    Northern Stars - Northern Ascendancy
    Written in the Stars - Nordic Nightmare
    Synergy Hockey - Mukimiehet
    X Factor - Dynasty
    SIKA - Nordic Lightning
    Finnish Roosters - Nordic Blizzard

     

    The schedule and playoff tree will reflect this as soon as possible. In the mean time, feel free to start playing.

     

    Respectfully,

    The NHLGamer Staff

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    SSG takes all the shit yet again... not suprised at this point really. The most active team and leading in series gets shoved up the buttocks. Three months wasted to end like this! Don't think I will be participating on upcoming tournaments as I got better things to do with my life (work lol). SSG are the real winners of this round, technically - SYN so enjoy and the "best" of luck to you in the next round(s)! Very disappointed. And Yet again I must say - it is what it is.

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    Another instance that shows this tournament is very much about personal relations and being buddies with certain people. At this point it very much looks like everything revolves around Finns and Swedes, anyone else is here just so this whole farce could be called "European" Championship League. Tho I truly hope I'm wrong on that.

    An underdog who had the lead of the series gets the short end of the stick while a very popular team advances with WO wins. An underdog who was available for the majority of the allocated days for the first round. Popularity contest... Especially when you look at Synergy's "show" yesterday to stream themselves waiting for SSG in challenge room. Pathetic.

    That's two incidents in a row where SSG ends up getting screwed by staff's oversight - case against FR with missing rules and now this... Maybe scheduling round 1 during holidays wasn't such a good idea after all. Wonder how long it will take for someone to realize it...

    I truly hope SSG continues, but after this bullshit... Can't really blame them if they were to decide in favor of abandoning this mess.

    I'll leave you with this...

    "In case there are any unplayed games after this deadline, the administration will investigate the issue and hand out walkover wins for the team that was more active in trying to get the games scheduled and played in time."

    A team that didn't play a single game for 12 days advances to the next round!

    Bravo, Synergy! Bravo!

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    I never understood why SSG made such a big "noise" after that glitch issue earlier in games against FR. Rules were what they were and it didn't even happen in playoffs.

    However, in this second issue would be difficult to decide what to do. Difficult case. I would still have waited for some other kind of solution. I'm only wondering how's it possible for both clubs to not get 6 on ice in the given time if there's no maximum club size. Can't be so that only best 6 players of team are playing.

    In next seasons could be both teams get DSQ in similar situation.

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    Not to be a dick, but I could see giving SYN some kind of punishment for this debacle as well, since both teams are more or less equally to blame and yet ony SSG is suffering conséquences right now. Not to mention, the conséquences are extra-huge since it's the difference between division 1 and division 2 for next ECL season. Anyway, how about something like giving WO losses to begin the next round for SYN? Not necessarily this time around, but next tournaments, can we add a rule for that?

    Note to staff: Guys... Don't Schedule games during Xmas holidays. And don't extend deadlines. (Also overhaul the power structure like I said here..)

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    1 hour ago, Billy44205 said:

    Not to be a dick, but I could see giving SYN some kind of punishment for this debacle as well, since both teams are more or less equally to blame and yet ony SSG is suffering conséquences right now. Not to mention, the conséquences are extra-huge since it's the difference between division 1 and division 2 for next ECL season. Anyway, how about something like giving WO losses to begin the next round for SYN? Not necessarily this time around, but next tournaments, can we add a rule for that?

    Note to staff: Guys... Don't Schedule games during Xmas holidays. And don't extend deadlines. (Also overhaul the power structure like I said here..)

    Or maybe -6points for next the next ecl.

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    7 hours ago, MonkeyHead_AF said:

    I never understood why SSG made such a big "noise" after that glitch issue earlier in games against FR. Rules were what they were and it didn't even happen in playoffs.

    That glitch directly benefited Finnish Roosters, allowing them to score the GWG. The response? A recommendation from the staff to disallow the goal. The result? The goal stayed valid and turned out to be the GWG. I'm sorry, but how exactly is it fair when a team gets punished due to an oversight from the staff? Did you just expect them to sit there and take the punishment even though they had done nothing wrong? Also whenever it's a regular season or playoff game is irrelevant. All games should receive the same amount of attention and it definitely shouldn't affect the final ruling from the staff. 

    8 hours ago, MonkeyHead_AF said:

    However, in this second issue would be difficult to decide what to do. Difficult case. I would still have waited for some other kind of solution. I'm only wondering how's it possible for both clubs to not get 6 on ice in the given time if there's no maximum club size. Can't be so that only best 6 players of team are playing.

    It's been already said multiple times, but I'll repeat it again - throughout those two weeks Synergy pretty much wasn't able to play any games. If you looked at their club's recent games on Monday - they hadn't played a single EASHL game for 12 days. Hard to schedule something against a team that simply isn't there. It's mind-boggling that the more active team that also had held the lead of the series throughout the first 5 games is the one who gets WO loses(especially when there's a rule that stipulates the more active team getting WOs). It wasn't because of SSG that the games were pushed back to the very last day... Again, staff decides to schedule first round right in-between the holidays and now because another team isn't available for most of it, SSG gets fucked over. Amazing.

    Hell, at the very beginning of the first round Synergy basically came out flying with ultimatums that they simply wouldn't play any games till January 2nd. What?! When you look at it, SSG was very understanding, trying to make things happen (SSGs GM - "Let us know if you manage to gather 6 in any of the upcoming days... we'll stay on standby"). STANDBY. Yes, standby. It was that bad. SSG ends up not being able to play on two occasions due to some of their players having work(mind you, the scheduling of one of those days was very much a "last-minute" thing). Synergy? They weren't there for the majority of the days and now they advance. The team who tried to make things work and adapt to the other side, giving in and making compromises, got the short end of the stick.

    With this ruling the staff has set a very ugly precedent and from what I've heard, if by some miracle SSG decides to join next season, there will be significantly less sportsmanship and adapting to opponent's needs and schedule. After all with this latest case we've all seen how a team throwing tantrums and ultimatums gets their way. Props to Synergy for figuring out the way to abuse the system and get further ahead. Guess some teams had too much class, integrity and didn't have the guts to go straight for the jugular. Tho that's about to change.

    2 hours ago, Billy44205 said:

    Not to be a dick, but I could see giving SYN some kind of punishment for this debacle as well, since both teams are more or less equally to blame and yet ony SSG is suffering conséquences right now. Not to mention, the conséquences are extra-huge since it's the difference between division 1 and division 2 for next ECL season. Anyway, how about something like giving WO losses to begin the next round for SYN? Not necessarily this time around, but next tournaments, can we add a rule for that?

    Note to staff: Guys... Don't Schedule games during Xmas holidays. And don't extend deadlines. (Also overhaul the power structure like I said here..)

    Not surprising. It's "we do believe both teams have made mistakes in this series", yet the more popular Swedish team gets their way and the underdog is punished for all the mistakes. Not the first time and definitely won't be the last. What was the saying? It pays to have friends in high places...

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    @OxtreeLAT

    Yes, what I basically meant about the second issue was just that staff's decision is a little bit mystery for me. Could something else have been done? Was there really no possibility to give some extra days to play the games? Which team actually was more active (I won't give any own opinion before seeing evidence because it would be pointless)? 

    About the first issue I still think you made a big noise out of a small thing. As long as there's no rule about it the goal is valid, the same would have been with any other team. Positive thing in this was only that it opened discussion about rule changes that are needed. By saying "rules were what they were" I meant that all of us had the chance to read the rule book already in start of the season, we all had a chance to suggest adding what ever we saw would make the rules more fair but still nobody pointed out that the rulebook didn't have anything said about player glitches even thought in first patch those were even more general. Even I did notice there was nothing said about it in the beginning of the season but I just accepted the risk. So basically, if you did read the rules you also accept that we're playing with the rules we have, if something's missing it can be added later but it doesn't have any effect on games that were played before changes were made.

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    15 hours ago, MonkeyHead_AF said:

    @OxtreeLAT

    Yes, what I basically meant about the second issue was just that staff's decision is a little bit mystery for me. Could something else have been done? Was there really no possibility to give some extra days to play the games? Which team actually was more active (I won't give any own opinion before seeing evidence because it would be pointless)? 

    About the first issue I still think you made a big noise out of a small thing. As long as there's no rule about it the goal is valid, the same would have been with any other team. Positive thing in this was only that it opened discussion about rule changes that are needed. By saying "rules were what they were" I meant that all of us had the chance to read the rule book already in start of the season, we all had a chance to suggest adding what ever we saw would make the rules more fair but still nobody pointed out that the rulebook didn't have anything said about player glitches even thought in first patch those were even more general. Even I did notice there was nothing said about it in the beginning of the season but I just accepted the risk. So basically, if you did read the rules you also accept that we're playing with the rules we have, if something's missing it can be added later but it doesn't have any effect on games that were played before changes were made.

    I don't know enough about the Synergy-SSG case to really comment and it seems like the staff was between a rock and a hard place with the decision. The Christmas holidays are definitely a tricky time to schedule any kind of games, let alone ECL playoffs where people understandably want to play with their best 6. However, there was a case in the Rynnäkköviikset-SIKA -series where SIKA's goalie froze up during a Rynnäkköviikset attack. RV tried their damnest to score on him but couldn't capitalize on it. I think later on RV's goalie froze and SIKA capitalized on it. Where's the outrage? :D

    Another thing to keep in mind is, is it commonplace enough to add a rule about it? If there was a rule on it, people could hypothetically fake a glitch during the last minute of the game to gain immunity against a late minute attack. I don't really whether rule or no rule is the right call, and I'm glad we have a staff to decide on that.

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