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    Season 4 - Violation of rules: Transfer of Kefleri (RTL -> SSG)

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    Good evening, NHL Gamers!

    League Administration finalized it's ruling for a case involving the teams Refuse To Lose and Silver Sword Griffins and the player Kefleri. Kefleri left RTL without agreement from the captain Hanssonni, and joined SSG to immediately play 2 games with them against HC Checkmate. This violates the following rule:

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    8. Recruitment and transfers

    "Team assistant captains are allowed to transfer in case the team captain agrees to a transfer. In case the team captain disagrees, an assistant captain is not allowed to be transferred to another team."

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    After discussing the case with both teams and the affected player, League Administration decided on the following outcome:

    • Both games between Silver Sword Griffins and HC Checkmate will need to be replayed without Kefleri
    • Kefleri will receive a 2 game ban for SSG's games against Kattiautomaatti
    • pelimies80 will receive a 2 game ban for SSG's games against Kattiautomaatti due to transferring the player, even though he was aware of the above rule
    • pelimies80 will of course be allowed to participate in the two rematches against HC Checkmate

    At the time of this news story, Refuse to Lose agreed to the transfer, so Kefleri is allowed to join Silver Sword Griffins after all.

    We would also like to include a general reminder to all captains: You are the team leader, and you have the power to decline an Assistant Captain's transfer. However if there are personal differences involved, and the captain tries to abuse this power by tying the player to the team after damage was already done (purposefully), the Fair Play rule comes into play. Benching a player in this scenario is strictly not welcome and League Administration will investigate. 

    @Kefleri @pelimies80 @xLVxRitchey @ProMinx24 @OxtreeLAT @Hanssonni @ReDMisTi @TackleControl @Juizki @selänne8 

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    The captain rulle is wrong, if the person dosent want to play for the team he shouldn't be hold, what is the point of that... BS

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    17 minutes ago, elvijs99 said:

    The captain rulle is wrong, if the person dosent want to play for the team he shouldn't be hold, what is the point of that... BS

    This wasn't the first time during this season where captain/alternate captain wants to be transfered to some other team. Difference is that in other cases, people contacted LA about those transfers and told what has happened and what they want to do. In this one, people involved didn't care about the rules and just acted without thinking what it might cause. Of course, this is my personal opinion about this case.

    Believe me or not - most of the rules are there because of an actual reason.

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    3 hours ago, vSilenttio said:

    This wasn't the first time during this season where captain/alternate captain wants to be transfered to some other team. Difference is that in other cases, people contacted LA about those transfers and told what has happened and what they want to do. In this one, people involved didn't care about the rules and just acted without thinking what it might cause. Of course, this is my personal opinion about this case.

    Believe me or not - most of the rules are there because of an actual reason.

    Well at least it's a first time for a team being told to fully replay both played games... in any season really. Having in mind that opposition's Captain had full understanding of our goalie and that he should not be playing at all prior the game and still proceeded to play. Later only after loosing, he discussed it with Hanssonni and collectively head to "LA". I bet not a single word would have been mentioned in outcomes if Checkmate would have won. This is how I see it in a nutshell.

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    I never would've thought that a team could be so desperate to get another ass whooping. Two blowout loses for HC Checkmate... Guess they are different. Well played BiggestEight and Hanssonni. You got another chance! 

    Same exact slimy way that HC Checkmate used to get WO wins in the last season after purposely avoiding the other team and taking a break from the game. Truly fits your name. 

     

    As for Kefleri - I'm glad that he joined our team and we would do it again if we had to. Being abused by his Refuse To Lose teammates and captain, spouting disgusting insults about his girlfriend and unborn child - that's unacceptable. Shame on you Hanssonni, shame on you Refuse To Lose.

    Shame, shame, shame. 

     

    As for the game suspensions - when you contacted us, they were issued for the games against the next default opponent. As such, we acknowledged that and iced a suboptimal lineup for those games. If you plan to enforce them in the games against Nemesis, effectively punishing the two players for no reason, we'll appeal for a replay of our games against CAT. After all you seemingly have already set the ridiculous precedent for replaying games.

     

    - Ox, assistant captain of Silver Sword Griffins

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    I played ECL 3 season in Checkmate and i can cofirm that we could have played those games againts SSG in last two regular season days but majority of us didn't wanted to play and only wanted WO.  

    The time what i was there i sadly must say that Checkmate is that kind of club who prefer to get WO than decide who is better on ice.

    Im relieved that stuff didn't give WO to checkmate (what i strongly believe they wanted) but instead we play rematch games.

     

    -entii112

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    @OxtreeLAT Ewww.... Dude, you're part of League administration. You gotta be above these things, even when it concerns your team. Just have one of your clubmates comment on it in your place or something.

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    Haha, wow whole ssg team crying here? Is that first time when you broke rules? :Dd You have staff member in your team (Oxtree) i think he know the rules. And you have 3 captains? All those captains knows the rules too (atleast i hope). I think its not accident that youre in troubles in every season. This is not first time when pelimies80 try to violate rules. But hey nice job from your captains, good luck to the future and try to stay away from problems.

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    1 hour ago, Billy44205 said:

    @OxtreeLAT Ewww.... Dude, you're part of League administration. You gotta be above these things, even when it concerns your team. Just have one of your clubmates comment on it in your place or something.

    I still have a role in SSG captaincy. If I see bullshit, I'm gonna call it out.

    BiggestEight(@selänne8) has been one of the slimiest people around here(as proven in the previous posts).

    As far as my current role in staff - at this time I'm reconsidering my further involvement into the development and administration of the tournament.  

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    17 minutes ago, OxtreeLAT said:

    I still have a role in SSG captaincy. If I see bullshit, I'm gonna call it out.

    BiggestEight(@selänne8) has been one of the slimiest people around here(as proven in the previous posts).

    As far as my current role in staff - at this time I'm reconsidering my further involvement into the development and administration of the tournament.  

    I love you too mate <3 Dont quit from stuff if you did only one mistake(again). And whats the point why you blame me? What i have done to you? And very respectful behavior from staff member to blame someone without reason.

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    Just to clear things up a bit:

    When we noticed Kefleri was playing for SSG, we contacted SSG saying they're (most likely) not allowed to play with Kefleri on their lineup. We also tried to contact The_Alpha_Furyan to get a confirmation the captain rule still applies. We did not get a reply from The_Alpha_Furyan before our games were supposed begin, but we got a message from SSG saying that the rule has changed and it's ok for them to play these games. Since we had no confirmation we had to play against SSG, simply due to a fact that if we happened to be wrong SSG would've (most likely) requested a WO wins over us.

    SSG: you guys know the rules. I think it's quite hypocritical to blame us for this situation after you tried to misslead us saying rules have changed, you are the ones who broke the rules AND you completely neglected our warning that your roster might not be eligible to play. 

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    22 minutes ago, Juizki said:

    Just to clear things up a bit:

    When we noticed Kefleri was playing for SSG, we contacted SSG saying they're (most likely) not allowed to play with Kefleri on their lineup. We also tried to contact The_Alpha_Furyan to get a confirmation the captain rule still applies. We did not get a reply from The_Alpha_Furyan before our games were supposed begin, but we got a message from SSG saying that the rule has changed and it's ok for them to play these games. Since we had no confirmation we had to play against SSG, simply due to a fact that if we happened to be wrong SSG would've (most likely) requested a WO wins over us.

    SSG: you guys know the rules. I think it's quite hypocritical to blame us for this situation after you tried to misslead us saying rules have changed, you are the ones who broke the rules AND you completely neglected our warning that your roster might not be eligible to play. 

    If this is true and can be proven imo more dire punishment should be considered. 

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    Nah this is punishment enough. Also if I'm not mistaken Alpha Furyan is not a league admin, he's on the staff for media content.

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    43 minutes ago, Lauri said:

    If this is true and can be proven imo more dire punishment should be considered. 

    Yeah its true, i got information that kefler is in ssg roster, just moment before our ecl games. I told to pelimies80 that they cant play with kefler, he didnt care about that. So what i can do? We have games starting and if i say that were not going to play, they will get wo wins. They had still another goalie in roster and online DerPateki. He asked me before on gameday that do we have game against them, because he imagine he will play on net, so i think i can say he was available.And btw i got deja vu reaction from this whole case, why? Because pelimies80 did just same thing to us in last season. He was assistant captain and he left from team in the middle of season, and left our team in troubles and our roster under 8 players. Great person

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    6 hours ago, OxtreeLAT said:

    I never would've thought that a team could be so desperate to get another ass whooping. Two blowout loses for HC Checkmate... Guess they are different. Well played BiggestEight and Hanssonni. You got another chance! 

    Same exact slimy way that HC Checkmate used to get WO wins in the last season after purposely avoiding the other team and taking a break from the game. Truly fits your name. 

     

    As for Kefleri - I'm glad that he joined our team and we would do it again if we had to. Being abused by his Refuse To Lose teammates and captain, spouting disgusting insults about his girlfriend and unborn child - that's unacceptable. Shame on you Hanssonni, shame on you Refuse To Lose.

    Shame, shame, shame. 

     

    As for the game suspensions - when you contacted us, they were issued for the games against the next default opponent. As such, we acknowledged that and iced a suboptimal lineup for those games. If you plan to enforce them in the games against Nemesis, effectively punishing the two players for no reason, we'll appeal for a replay of our games against CAT. After all you seemingly have already set the ridiculous precedent for replaying games.

     

    - Ox, assistant captain of Silver Sword Griffins

    Yo, "Another chance" i dont really think i got any chances with this case? I play in RTL, not Checkmate.

    All i wanted in this case was justice, If theres a rule that i have to accept the trade, then its gonna be that way. Pelimies got warned by the opponents but he didnt notice it, thats it.

    And about being abused, you guys can think what you want. Its my and Kefleri's problem,  i can only say that i did not say anything bad neither of his girlfriend, or unborn child.

     

     

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    1 hour ago, selänne8 said:

    Yeah its true, i got information that kefler is in ssg roster, just moment before our ecl games. I told to pelimies80 that they cant play with kefler, he didnt care about that. So what i can do? We have games starting and if i say that were not going to play, they will get wo wins. They had still another goalie in roster and online DerPateki. He asked me before on gameday that do we have game against them, because he imagine he will play on net, so i think i can say he was available.And btw i got deja vu reaction from this whole case, why? Because pelimies80 did just same thing to us in last season. He was assistant captain and he left from team in the middle of season, and left our team in troubles and our roster under 8 players. Great person

    Why are you contacting pelimies!! with the concerns you had? He's not in Captaincy of this team... is he? Contacting the right person(s) at least would have prevented your 2nd chance. :ph34r:

    You said you knew Pelimies had history of "violating rules" yourself... and you contact him?? Purposely or not, ain't really smart. Or is it? You tell me sauceman!

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    45 minutes ago, ProMinx24 said:

    Why are you contacting pelimies!! with the concerns you had? He's not in Captaincy of this team... is he? Contacting the right person(s) at least would have prevented your 2nd chance. :ph34r:

    You said you knew Pelimies had history of "violating rules" yourself... and you contact him?? Purposely or not, ain't really smart. Or is it? You tell me sauceman!

    Haha nice try man, pelimies80 contact me before the games. So i answered back to him with whatsapp. And i sent messages to oxtree before the games (your captain!!!) and what? He didnt answer anything xD

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    41 minutes ago, selänne8 said:

    Haha nice try man, pelimies80 contact me before the games. So i answered back to him with whatsapp. And i sent messages to oxtree before the games (your captain!!!) and what? He didnt answer anything xD

    Our 2nd assistant Captain… not Captain - get it right. Who contacted who between you and Pelimies doesn't change a thing since you still discussed it with him on personal level. Regarding your unsuccessful "attempts" contacting Oxtree before games is something completely new to me!

    Btw, you got exactly what you came for (perhaps maybe not exactly but you got your 2nd chance), why are you still "crying"? ¬¬ Go practice or something… ^^

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    Overall, to me it looks quite a messy situation, and that's what you generally end up with on matters where the rules rely largely on judgement calls. I feel the ruling in this case is OK. The details can always be argued upon. Replaying the games is an interesting precedent, but to be honest it feels like a much better solution than handing out WOs.

    There are a few players involved who've never proved to have an understanding of rules and/or the ability to follow them. I recall a wide sweep with a big-ass banhammer back in the days.

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    5 hours ago, selänne8 said:

    I love you too mate <3 Dont quit from stuff if you did only one mistake(again). And whats the point why you blame me? What i have done to you? And very respectful behavior from staff member to blame someone without reason.

    Again - I've seen the "nice" side of this community. Everyone shit talking, insulting girlfriends and threatening to rape ones unborn child. I've reached a point where I genuinely don't think it's worth my personal time to help improving the community for people like you. It's just not worth it, especially seeing how my fellow teammates get ridiculed every single time as well(even if at times they aren't the only ones at fault).

    Like last season - SSGs C got his console banned few hours before the scheduled games. They didn't get replacement in time. What happens next? The C buys a new console the very next day, they are basically ready to play the games at any time. What about the other teams? Oh, they have decided to take a break from the game(cue Entti's comment where he shows how "interested" you were into playing those games). And then I read in the chatbox insulting comments about SSG how they can't finish the season. And then the FR and SYN fiasco. I joined them and took a role in staff, in an attempt to help improve this community. Now I've come to realization - why bother? I personally don't enjoy getting shit on and dealing with people who's main purpose is to fuck with others.

    Yes, we made a mistake. I'm not arguing about it. Nor am I against the current punishment(even tho point deductions would be a more sensible approach since no serious sport just "replays" their events). But you also made a bunch of mistakes by contacting the wrong people. You simply could've refused to play. Also, lets be real, don't try to hide how you orchestrated this little play together with your friend Hanssonni.

    Sorry, but I do have a very good reason for being upset at you after what you've done this and the previous season. Plus, scheduling games with you - we made the sacrifices and adapted. You're not available 80% of the time, can't make the default dates, won't play two opponents during the same day. Oh, and the cherry on top - when I come back to you after talking with my teammates and agree to play the games during one of the few days you previously purposed and noted as being free - you say that it's not gonna happen. Wonderful.

    Yes, I am pissed. Especially after hearing how someone threatened to rape Kefleri's unborn child. Sorry, but I don't take those things lightly.

    1 hour ago, selänne8 said:

    Haha nice try man, pelimies80 contact me before the games. So i answered back to him with whatsapp. And i sent messages to oxtree before the games (your captain!!!) and what? He didnt answer anything xD

    What message? The one with "Everything OK?"? Because that's the only message I received from you on the game day. Do I need to have a crystal ball to understand what you're meaning with that? Also, as you probably noticed, I wasn't playing that evening. Hell, my PS4 wasn't even turned on.

    What you should've done is contact the other two captains(especially since they both WERE playing, one of them being the actual captain of the team). It's common sense - if you have something urgent to discuss and you can't reach someone - message the other captains. But I guess that's too complicated for some people. As they say - common sense isn't that common.

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    i think is no point to keep talking on here, just waste of the time that's all. The games will have to be replayed anyway, so let the action speak not the words B|

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    52 minutes ago, OxtreeLAT said:

     

    Again - I've seen the "nice" side of this community. Everyone shit talking, insulting girlfriends and threatening to rape ones unborn child. I've reached a point where I genuinely don't think it's worth my personal time to help improving the community for people like you. It's just not worth it, especially seeing how my fellow teammates get ridiculed every single time as well(even if at times they aren't the only ones at fault).

    Like last season - SSGs C got his console banned few hours before the scheduled games. They didn't get replacement in time. What happens next? The C buys a new console the very next day, they are basically ready to play the games at any time. What about the other teams? Oh, they have decided to take a break from the game(cue Entti's comment where he shows how "interested" you were into playing those games). And then I read in the chatbox insulting comments about SSG how they can't finish the season. And then the FR and SYN fiasco. I joined them and took a role in staff, in an attempt to help improve this community. Now I've come to realization - why bother? I personally don't enjoy getting shit on and dealing with people who's main purpose is to fuck with others.

    Yes, we made a mistake. I'm not arguing about it. Nor am I against the current punishment(even tho point deductions would be a more sensible approach since no serious sport just "replays" their events). But you also made a bunch of mistakes by contacting the wrong people. You simply could've refused to play. Also, lets be real, don't try to hide how you orchestrated this little play together with your friend Hanssonni.

    Sorry, but I do have a very good reason for being upset at you after what you've done this and the previous season. Plus, scheduling games with you - we made the sacrifices and adapted. You're not available 80% of the time, can't make the default dates, won't play two opponents during the same day. Oh, and the cherry on top - when I come back to you after talking with my teammates and agree to play the games during one of the few days you previously purposed and noted as being free - you say that it's not gonna happen. Wonderful.

    Yes, I am pissed. Especially after hearing how someone threatened to rape Kefleri's unborn child. Sorry, but I don't take those things lightly.

    What message? The one with "Everything OK?"? Because that's the only message I received from you on the game day. Do I need to have a crystal ball to understand what you're meaning with that? Also, as you probably noticed, I wasn't playing that evening. Hell, my PS4 wasn't even turned on.

    What you should've done is contact the other two captains(especially since they both WERE playing, one of them being the actual captain of the team). It's common sense - if you have something urgent to discuss and you can't reach someone - message the other captains. But I guess that's too complicated for some people. As they say - common sense isn't that common.

    Why you try to blame me all the time. I dont have any idea about something kefleris unborn child? How it includes to this or hc checkmate? And if you wanna talk more about last season ok: We tried book matches against you like 2 weeks(i wasnt A or C in last season remember also that). You had like one good day when you can play in that timeline. We accept that and we were ready to play with mixed roster. Our games was 21:00 if i remember right. We got message 30min before games that your C cant play. Ok i understand that bad luck or something. You said youre not going to play, even you had 8-9 players online? Very difficult get someone to backup. So dont blame us, example we had games against northern stars. I noticed 45min before the games that my Fifa cd is stuck in ps4. What we did? We didnt cancelled games, i called to my friend, who hadnt any games played can he play? And yes we lost both games but atleast we try to play. And yes i did mistake because i didnt message to all your captains, sorry for that. 

    And why i cancelled that first schedule? Im sorry about that too, but it was good day for ak47 and it was our default day, so i think its priority one. And i dont have nothing than bigger to do with hanssonni, i just only asked from him that did he accept keflers transfer. So stop blaming me, youre whole team are trying to make this looking that im prick, but thats ok i dont care. This whole discussion resemble more like nursery. If you have something against me, fine. But please can we now stop this bullshit talking. And one more thing, dont lie im available every day almost every time. I got ps messages to my phone and nhlgamer messages too. And we have also two more captains if i dont answer in same second.

     

    17 minutes ago, elvijs99 said:

    i think is no point to keep talking on here, just waste of the time that's all. The games will have to be replayed anyway, so let the action speak not the words B|

    yes i agree

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    2 hours ago, ProMinx24 said:

    Our 2nd assistant Captain… not Captain - get it right. Who contacted who between you and Pelimies doesn't change a thing since you still discussed it with him on personal level. Regarding your unsuccessful "attempts" contacting Oxtree before games is something completely new to me!

    Btw, you got exactly what you came for (perhaps maybe not exactly but you got your 2nd chance), why are you still "crying"? ¬¬ Go practice or something… ^^

    Im not crying, i just did my job. you didnt follow the rules, sorry if its my fault. Maybe i go to practice and you go to read one more time rules. See you on the ice

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    10 minutes ago, selänne8 said:

    Why you try to blame me all the time. I dont have any idea about something kefleris unborn child? How it includes to this or hc checkmate? And if you wanna talk more about last season ok: We tried book matches against you like 2 weeks(i wasnt A or C in last season remember also that). You had like one good day when you can play in that timeline. We accept that and we were ready to play with mixed roster. Our games was 21:00 if i remember right. We got message 30min before games that your C cant play. Ok i understand that bad luck or something. You said youre not going to play, even you had 8-9 players online? Very difficult get someone to backup. So dont blame us, example we had games against northern stars. I noticed 45min before the games that my Fifa cd is stuck in ps4. What we did? We didnt cancelled games, i called to my friend, who hadnt any games played can he play? And yes we lost both games but atleast we try to play. And yes i did mistake because i didnt message to all your captains, sorry for that. 

    And why i cancelled that first schedule? Im sorry about that too, but it was good day for ak47 and it was our default day, so i think its priority one. And i dont have nothing than bigger to do with hanssonni, i just only asked from him that did he accept keflers transfer. So stop blaming me, youre whole team are trying to make this looking that im prick, but thats ok i dont care. This whole discussion resemble more like nursery. If you have something against me, fine. But please can we now stop this bullshit talking. And one more thing, dont lie im available every day almost every time. I got ps messages to my phone and nhlgamer messages too. And we have also two more captains if i dont answer in same second.

     

    yes i agree

    I already explained my reasoning. The insults I mentioned are directly connected to this case as they were the main reason Kefleri left RTL. FYI LA didn't include this information out of the common courtesy, but at this point I don't care. To add further insult after the way RTL treated Kefleri, Hanssonni declined the initial "transfer confirmation". He only accepted it after being informed that further bullying and abuse of his powers could be interpreted as breach of the "Fair Play" section of the rule book. Classy.

    As for the previous season - the default game date for the games between Silver Sword Griffins and HC Checkmate was December 14th - the last day of the regular season. Attempts to play games in-advance are admirable, but not always possible due to the ongoing schedule. The start time has no importance in this. The fact is, after SSG was not able to play on the default game date, you and your team took advantage of it and decided to take a break from the game in order to secure two WO wins. The staff even extended the regular season, only for you to continue on with your charade. Also the claim of "not going to play, even you had 8-9 players online" is false. Few hours before the planned games they lost their center and as a result couldn't get the required 6 players. Simply put, there was no chance of playing the games(last time I checked you can't start ECL games in a 5v6 format). Again - you avoided SSG for the remaining part of the season just so you could get 2 WOs. Fact.

    I'm not trying anything. I'm just tired of this bullshit(excuse my French). Also I wasn't talking about your personal availability, it's about how HC Checkmate has very limited availability.

     

    Making sacrifices for this... Eh, not even worth wasting more breath. I've already lost all the motivation and interest I had in helping this community grow.

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    2 hours ago, OxtreeLAT said:

    Again - I've seen the "nice" side of this community. Everyone shit talking, insulting girlfriends and threatening to rape ones unborn 

    You can ask Kefleri yourself, it was no one who's in this community who talked bad about his family. 

     

    If you can proove that it was me, Then im fine with it, i have nothing to be afraid of when we're talking about that.

     

    I just dont like that someone here thinks im an idiot, everything is good in my life and i dont need to threaten my friend's family.

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    16 minutes ago, Hanssonni said:

    You can ask Kefleri yourself, it was no one who's in this community who talked bad about his family. 

     

    If you can proove that it was me, Then im fine with it, i have nothing to be afraid of when we're talking about that.

     

    I just dont like that someone here thinks im an idiot, everything is good in my life and i dont need to threaten my friend's family.

    Oooh are you saying you didnt say anything about me or my family with hakala. Maybe you should remember that evening better. You didnt say you are going to rape my unborn child but you was with him who said that and after that you are giving me father of the year medal and talking shit about me and my girlfriend. So dont speak shit 

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