• SJK eSports vs. Written in the Stars - LA Decision


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    NHLGamers,

    In the case that occured between SJK eSports and Written in the Stars in the ECL Elite semi-finals, the following outcome has been agreed on:

    • No extra time will be given.

      Before the ECL 5 Playoffs, the Staff took heavy criticism for lack of clarity in terms of deadlines. Not only in ECL 5, but in previous ECLs as well. Since the beginning of the ECL 5 playoffs, extra effort has been made to improve the clarity of that information. Therefore, the statement "Each pairing, Elite or Pro, must be finished within 7 days from today, meaning last evening to play games is December xxth. Don't expect any extensions!" has been included whenever possible (including in all Elite playoff news communication). Furthermore, a notification above the chatbox with the exact information of the last day to play has been visible for the past two rounds. We have not seen any valid arguments as to why extra time should be given.
       
    • Precedent

      Precedent is a legal term that is defined as "an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.". In the ECL 5 Playoffs, there is a precedent for this type of case. In the Pro playoff matchup between Gotham Knights and J P T J, Gotham was awarded 2 WO wins due to J P T J not being able to produce a lineup on the assigned day. Ruling to give extra time in this case would suggest that teams are not equal and that the rules do not have the same meaning to all teams. This is not true for the ECL.
       
    • Both Captains were lacking in communication

      The fact that LA received this information on the day of the last scheduled playoff date is the reason for this verdict taking so long. Always remember, if you are experiencing trouble scheduling games, getting in touch with LA as early as possible is not only encouraged - it is also expected as these decisions need to be discussed thoroughly before deciding.
       
    • Availability

      This is LAs understanding of the availability of both teams:
      Wednesday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Thursday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Friday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Saturday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Sunday: SJK unavailable, SKY available
      Monday: SJK available, SKY available - 4 games played
      Tuesday: SJK available, SKY available - but at different times and could not come to an agreement on starting time

      This gives a total of SJK available on 6/7 days and SKY available on 3/7 days for the round. If we look at traditionally scheduled game days (Monday, Wednesday, Thursday) SJK was available on 3/3 days and SKY on 1/3 days.

      The LAs understanding of availability is based on official communication from both teams with regards to this case. In the case of SKY, their extended unavailability is also understood to be due to one of their preferred forwards (Bugimir) being away on vacation until Sunday the 3rd of December - information that was communicated to LA at an earlier point when SKY appealed for more time to play their games in the previous round versus Dynasty. Furthermore, FlyerKungen's (SKY captain) very public comments on a previous news story gave the clear impression that SKY were not interested in playing any playoff games without their top 6 lineup and that leniency in the form of extra days should be given to ensure the integrity of the league. In this context the 8-player roster limit, that has been part of the ECL rules since the first season, was questioned as well.

      LA argues that the integrity of the league is ensured by teams following the deadlines that have been communicated with the utmost clarity throughout the entire playoffs. A key aspect to meeting these deadlines is keeping a healthy roster size, which the vast majority of teams in all divisions have been working on. Running a 6-player core roster accompanied by two "dummy" players turned out to be the main dealbreaker in this case.

     

    RULING
    SJK is awarded 2 WO wins and moves on to the ECL Elite finals. The decision rests heavily on the amount of days both teams were available as that is the only valid parameter this case could possibly be ruled on - once the option of "extra time" was precluded.

     

    CONCLUSIONS
    Walkover wins in the playoffs are never a good thing, no matter what round or division. However, having a League Administration that sticks to rules and announcements and treats all of the teams equally builds trust in the platform. While things still weren't perfect throughout ECL 5, we are adjusting parameters every season to eradicate the remaining hiccups. This means we will need to ask you some questions before the start of ECL 6: Is the 8-player limit a well-deemed rule? Are 7 days enough to complete possibly 7 games in a single playoff round? Do we need to take an entirely different approach to scheduling and enforcing deadlines?

     

    An additional post announcing the Elite finals will be released, but finalists Aapon Taikasauva and SJK can start scheduling their games.

    League Administration

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    L O L.

    So, SKYs backup player was in hospital wednesday-today and had 40 degrees fever so basically he could have not played. Also there is alot more that is not told in this post... Basically IMO this decision is unacceptable.

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    This probaly wasn't easy call to make and it's never fun handing walkovers in the playoff stage, but I think it had to be done to ensure teams will stick to schedules in the future.

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    #farssi

    Tbh, with or without Bugimir, we were not able to play on Wednesday or thursday. We didnt have six players, our back ups were unavailable. What I can do then? We just didnt have six players. Case closed. 

    Friday and saturday, weekend? When friday and saturday has been gamedays? Really? 

    We were able to play sunday, monday and tuesday. Every fuckin those three days at least @ 21-22:30 FIN.

    After all that, you are giving WOs? Wtf. Both teams wanted one xtra day. You cant just give WOs in this case. This was not SKYs or SJKs fault, sometimes your real life schedules does not fit with opponent as you want. Do you really think SJK or us wanted this? 

    Two teams respecting each other and asking more time! Driving same thing together. Staff, are you afraid to give one more night bc you dont wanna get shit from old foxes? Im disappointed. Can we switch LA? 

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    1 minuutti sitten, FlyerKungen kirjoitti:

    #farssi

    Tbh, with or without Bugimir, we were not able to play on Wednesday or thursday. We didnt have six players, our back ups were unavailable. What I can do then? We just didnt have six players. Case closed. 

    Well, then you should sign more players to your team :)

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    According to the rules i guess this is the right call. Altough it would have been nice to watch the games tonight. 

    But a hard decision to make since the same call was made in PRO playoffs :/

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    20 minuuttia sitten, SadaPoika kirjoitti:

    L O L.

    So, SKYs backup player was in hospital wednesday-today and had 40 degrees fever so basically he could have not played. Also there is alot more that is not told in this post... Basically IMO this decision is unacceptable.

    And my mom died yesterday

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    5 minutes ago, FlyerKungen said:

    #farssi

    Tbh, with or without Bugimir, we were not able to play on Wednesday or thursday. We didnt have six players, our back ups were unavailable. What I can do then? We just didnt have six players. Case closed. 

     

    No, not case closed. Stop having shit backups that aren't available. 

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    Alright, this comment section is not a trash bin for subpar memes and pitchforks. If you have worthwhile input, or feel the need to voice your opinion on this decision, do so respectfully and constructively. Thank you.

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    22 minuuttia sitten, FlyerKungen kirjoitti:

    #farssi

    Tbh, with or without Bugimir, we were not able to play on Wednesday or thursday. We didnt have six players, our back ups were unavailable. What I can do then? We just didnt have six players. Case closed. 

    Back-up players? HAR5KI and Januri? First is just Harski who is pure fill player on your roster and Januri is in the army. Cut the bullshit and stop blaming others for your issues. JohtajaVirtanen played in playoffs but sometimes you need more than one guy, or more than 6 players, to play this god damn game.

    Get real boys.

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    6 minutes ago, vSilenttio said:

    Back-up players? HAR5KI and Januri? First is just Harski who is pure fill player on your roster and Januri is in the army. Cut the bullshit and stop blaming others for your issues. 

    Sorry, what can you expect a 'captain' to do in such ''unlucky'' circumstances???? 

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    1 minuutti sitten, xDoumi kirjoitti:

    ”how to make scene bigger?”

    Giving WO’s in semifinals in ecl elite.

    The difference between "Beerleague" and Professional league?

    - Rules

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    6 minutes ago, xDoumi said:

    ”how to make scene bigger?”

    Giving WO’s in semifinals at ecl elite.

    There's a huge list for that, having sane captains for one. 

    3 minutes ago, Tauri said:

    Read first comment

    Read silenttio's post

    In fact, fuck that. Written has 9 players on their roster, one went to miami and one got a fever. What's 9-2=? Oh right, 7. Now is 7 = 6 or above? Yes. In which case, stop fucking around and play. 

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    43 minutes ago, SadaPoika said:

    L O L.

    So, SKYs backup player was in hospital wednesday-today and had 40 degrees fever so basically he could have not played. Also there is alot more that is not told in this post... Basically IMO this decision is unacceptable.

    Why is the comment section below the actual ruling the first time we hear from you about someone being in hospital? If there's a lot more that isn't told in this post, then it wasn't brought to our attention in the first place.

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    We start take the rules seriously half way in the semifinals.. OMG

    Why wait until next season and do it right from the beginning?:S

     

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