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    SJK eSports vs. Written in the Stars - LA Decision

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    NHLGamers,

    In the case that occured between SJK eSports and Written in the Stars in the ECL Elite semi-finals, the following outcome has been agreed on:

    • No extra time will be given.

      Before the ECL 5 Playoffs, the Staff took heavy criticism for lack of clarity in terms of deadlines. Not only in ECL 5, but in previous ECLs as well. Since the beginning of the ECL 5 playoffs, extra effort has been made to improve the clarity of that information. Therefore, the statement "Each pairing, Elite or Pro, must be finished within 7 days from today, meaning last evening to play games is December xxth. Don't expect any extensions!" has been included whenever possible (including in all Elite playoff news communication). Furthermore, a notification above the chatbox with the exact information of the last day to play has been visible for the past two rounds. We have not seen any valid arguments as to why extra time should be given.
       
    • Precedent

      Precedent is a legal term that is defined as "an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.". In the ECL 5 Playoffs, there is a precedent for this type of case. In the Pro playoff matchup between Gotham Knights and J P T J, Gotham was awarded 2 WO wins due to J P T J not being able to produce a lineup on the assigned day. Ruling to give extra time in this case would suggest that teams are not equal and that the rules do not have the same meaning to all teams. This is not true for the ECL.
       
    • Both Captains were lacking in communication

      The fact that LA received this information on the day of the last scheduled playoff date is the reason for this verdict taking so long. Always remember, if you are experiencing trouble scheduling games, getting in touch with LA as early as possible is not only encouraged - it is also expected as these decisions need to be discussed thoroughly before deciding.
       
    • Availability

      This is LAs understanding of the availability of both teams:
      Wednesday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Thursday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Friday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Saturday: SJK available, SKY unavailable
      Sunday: SJK unavailable, SKY available
      Monday: SJK available, SKY available - 4 games played
      Tuesday: SJK available, SKY available - but at different times and could not come to an agreement on starting time

      This gives a total of SJK available on 6/7 days and SKY available on 3/7 days for the round. If we look at traditionally scheduled game days (Monday, Wednesday, Thursday) SJK was available on 3/3 days and SKY on 1/3 days.

      The LAs understanding of availability is based on official communication from both teams with regards to this case. In the case of SKY, their extended unavailability is also understood to be due to one of their preferred forwards (Bugimir) being away on vacation until Sunday the 3rd of December - information that was communicated to LA at an earlier point when SKY appealed for more time to play their games in the previous round versus Dynasty. Furthermore, FlyerKungen's (SKY captain) very public comments on a previous news story gave the clear impression that SKY were not interested in playing any playoff games without their top 6 lineup and that leniency in the form of extra days should be given to ensure the integrity of the league. In this context the 8-player roster limit, that has been part of the ECL rules since the first season, was questioned as well.

      LA argues that the integrity of the league is ensured by teams following the deadlines that have been communicated with the utmost clarity throughout the entire playoffs. A key aspect to meeting these deadlines is keeping a healthy roster size, which the vast majority of teams in all divisions have been working on. Running a 6-player core roster accompanied by two "dummy" players turned out to be the main dealbreaker in this case.

     

    RULING
    SJK is awarded 2 WO wins and moves on to the ECL Elite finals. The decision rests heavily on the amount of days both teams were available as that is the only valid parameter this case could possibly be ruled on - once the option of "extra time" was precluded.

     

    CONCLUSIONS
    Walkover wins in the playoffs are never a good thing, no matter what round or division. However, having a League Administration that sticks to rules and announcements and treats all of the teams equally builds trust in the platform. While things still weren't perfect throughout ECL 5, we are adjusting parameters every season to eradicate the remaining hiccups. This means we will need to ask you some questions before the start of ECL 6: Is the 8-player limit a well-deemed rule? Are 7 days enough to complete possibly 7 games in a single playoff round? Do we need to take an entirely different approach to scheduling and enforcing deadlines?

     

    An additional post announcing the Elite finals will be released, but finalists Aapon Taikasauva and SJK can start scheduling their games.

    League Administration

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    13 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

    You think you're enlighting us when in reality you're just being a dumbass.

    @MartindalexC Please help this guy get better at what he is trying to do. Being like you that is.

    Sure, I can be more like others and try to not step on anyones toes, but that really isnt my thang. Again, could you write down what you reacted on in my original post that made YOU go after me "personally" by...."dissing" my amount of....up-votes? Cause I could get more if you want to, just have to quote some random guys/girls and paste some heart-emojis afterwards?

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    6 minuuttia sitten, MartindalexC kirjoitti:

    You missed his point though, he wasn't complaining about you shitting on the LA. He was complaining because you told him to cut it because he wrote this: 

    "

    "Great job, LA.

    I'm not surprised that some people are angry and that some tries to friends with everybody by sucking it up to the teams involved - there's so many dumb people on this earth, some are bound to be on this site as well.

    Edit: 

    Actually, this is a great way of sorting out the people with some brains and the people who're stupid as **** on this site. Jej!""

     

    You say that he should only post if it's something positive but honestly that's completely fucked. Hell even I've said many times in the past that there's a bunch of yes-men floating around on this site and I don't remember having someone tell me to shut up about it :D But, whilst the whole 'constructive' criticism would be great, is Lain's comment really as bad (or worse even) as people mindlessly agreeing to stuff previously, simply because "X" said so? 

    I have zero problems with him commenting, the reason why i asked for a positive comment was for all of his personal attacks and negativity.

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    17 minutes ago, Crisu_rottis said:

    I have zero problems with him commenting, the reason why i asked for a positive comment was for all of his personal attacks and negativity.

    Alright let's see:

    ---------------------------- (Calls people stupid for, well... being stupid. This is barely even negative.)

    14 hours ago, Lainzndr said:

    Great job, LA.

    I'm not surprised that some people are angry and that some tries to friends with everybody by sucking it up to the teams involved - there's so many dumb people on this earth, some are bound to be on this site as well.

    Edit: 

    Actually, this is a great way of sorting out the people with some brains and the people who're stupid as **** on this site. Jej!

    ---------------------------- (Chimera stated how he thought it was a mystery Lain has like 13 'upvotes'. Lain retaliates back since you could construe Chimera's post as an attack.)

    3 hours ago, Lainzndr said:

    Well, I think its a mystery that you scratch Floor and play yourself in the playoffs, but Im not counting your up-votes b/c of it. Perhaps you couldve barked at the wind or slapped your chest some more, who knows....

    On topic: its pretty obvious that some people dont understand rules and why you have them. Isnt that a ”tell” that you’re: (1) really really stupid or (2) really really really really stupid?

     

    ---------------------------- (So chimera tells him no one cares about his (Lain's) opinion. So Lain, again, retorts.)

    2 hours ago, Lainzndr said:

    That answer is cute and it really dosnt get to me, tbh.. Are you mad because I called people stupid (when they dont understand what rules are), or b/c the SHL wont let you spout out false info on their site anymore?

     

    ---------------------------- (You come in and tell him to stop being so negative and to not post unless it's positive.) 

    55 minutes ago, Lainzndr said:

    I disagree. It rather seems like I should speak up more than I already am, considering the lack of knowledge, reasoning and morality of a lot of posters on here. Comments like yours, Chimeras and the likes of: "Shut up!" and "Be quite and only write stuff that's positive", more sounds like something that would be said in a dictatorship instead of an online forum. LA should be praised to the skies (hehe, sky...) for their judgement on this matter, not get comments like "Let em play CAMA!" or "Worst failure evah, LA is dumb, elite teams should be treated differently".

     

    Once again, good job LA. 

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    He called people "dumb". Oh won't someone please think of the children!?!?! 

    Look, I get where you're coming from and I totally understand it. However I feel the need to state it again, atleast Lain has principles that he holds when making his views known. With half the people complaining about the LA decision, I would bet that if this scenario involved two different teams, their tune about how this is the worst decision ever and their feelings that the LA can't be trusted anymore would suddenly decrease to barely a mutter. 

     

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    I understand that lain was defending himself, but everyone knows why he is attacked. Now i see there is no need to discuss this further. This hasnt been part of the LA decision conversation for a while. I am sorry for lain, for being inappropiate, but i do hope he got my point.

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    42 minutes ago, Crisu_rottis said:

    I understand that lain was defending himself, but everyone knows why he is attacked. Now i see there is no need to discuss this further. This hasnt been part of the LA decision conversation for a while. I am sorry for lain, for being inappropiate, but i do hope he got my point.

    I dont. Why am I? Is it b/c I called out stupid people for being stupid?

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    1 hour ago, Lainzndr said:

    Again, could you write down what you reacted on in my original post that made YOU go after me "personally" by...."dissing" my amount of....up-votes?

    Well sure i can.

    Pretty much everything you wrote after "Great job, LA." is a personal attack and extremely patronizing to anyone in here that doesnt share the opinion of the LA's verdict. Totally uncalled for. Also it's beyond me why you have to go and make it your mission and assault anyone that doesnt think like you.
    Many of us agree with the LA's thoughts/verdict in this case, myself included. But that doesnt give us the right to behave like douchebags to the ones that doesnt.

    I hope this helped share some light in the matter.

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    3 minutes ago, cHIIMEERa said:

    Well sure i can.

    Pretty much everything you wrote after "Great job, LA." is a personal attack and extremely patronizing to anyone in here that doesnt share the opinion of the LA's verdict. Totally uncalled for. Also it's beyond me why you have to go and make it your mission and assault anyone that doesnt think like you.
    Many of us agree with the LA's thoughts/verdict in this case, myself included. But that doesnt give us the right to behave like douchebags to the ones that doesnt.

    Now you know why i reacted towards your post.

    Sure, I get that some people were offended, but I dont understand why people that actually agree with the LA decision are. My post was directed towards the people that disagreed with the LA decision - and yes, maybe it was kinda harsh, but it's infuriating seeing so many posters stupitity and their reasons for disagreeing with LA. I'm sure that they (LA), just as me, have a real job and social life of their own, so when they invest their time and effort in this situation, created by two teams that cant use a computer or know what communication is, making the best out of the situation, they should'nt even have to defend their decision on the matter.

    I dont have a hard time calling out someone for what they are. If someones stupid, i'll call em stupid. If someone tries to suck it up to the involved teams by disagreeing with LA to get some likes, I call them out as well. I also know that I'm not perfect in any way, but know that if you try to get to me in some way, I have a couple of things to say myself. Also, I dont offense if guys like that "joystick (?)"-guy don't know who I am or not, I kinda made my own bed there by creating a team called "Unknown" where I even got Foppatofflan to change his gamertag so that none would know who we were (damn you Anton ^^)

    Psy 

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    9 minuuttia sitten, Lainzndr kirjoitti:

    Sure, I get that some people were offended, but I dont understand why people that actually agree with the LA decision are. My post was directed towards the people that disagreed with the LA decision - and yes, maybe it was kinda harsh, but it's infuriating seeing so many posters stupitity and their reasons for disagreeing with LA. I'm sure that they (LA), just as me, have a real job and social life of their own, so when they invest their time and effort in this situation, created by two teams that cant use a computer or know what communication is, making the best out of the situation, they should'nt even have to defend their decision on the matter.

    I dont have a hard time calling out someone for what they are. If someones stupid, i'll call em stupid. If someone tries to suck it up to the involved teams by disagreeing with LA to get some likes, I call them out as well. I also know that I'm not perfect in any way, but know that if you try to get to me in some way, I have a couple of things to say myself. Also, I dont offense if guys like that "joystick (?)"-guy don't know who I am or not, I kinda made my own bed there by creating a team called "Unknown" where I even got Foppatofflan to change his gamertag so that none would know who we were (damn you Anton ^^)

    Psy 

    I've been game 7 @ quarter-finals some year. How about that?

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    Well...I don't speak often but sometimes it's unbearable.

    Let me give you a fitting example. I played with Inter Iceland in the second round of the Pro Playoffs. We could not get our "main formation" set for three of the total six games played in this series. Actually two positions were filled with players who were not a part of the regular season whatsoever.

    - Did we try to prolong the affected games? No

    - Did we ask to play another time after starting off with two straight losses? No

    - was it the reason we lost the series? Probably not

    Of course this series does not get anywhere near the attention that Elite-Series get. But the rules are the same for Elite, Pro and Lite, aren't they? This is not supposed to be an offending reply. I just think that if you have the chance as a GM to get six players of your team to play, even when it's playoffs and not your best of six ... well just do it. Give some other Player on your team a chance. 

    Winning isn't everything but wanting to win is -_-

     

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    2 hours ago, Playmaker said:

    Well...I don't speak often but sometimes it's unbearable.

    Let me give you a fitting example. I played with Inter Iceland in the second round of the Pro Playoffs. We could not get our "main formation" set for three of the total six games played in this series. Actually two positions were filled with players who were not a part of the regular season whatsoever.

    - Did we try to prolong the affected games? No

    - Did we ask to play another time after starting off with two straight losses? No

    - was it the reason we lost the series? Probably not

    Of course this series does not get anywhere near the attention that Elite-Series get. But the rules are the same for Elite, Pro and Lite, aren't they? This is not supposed to be an offending reply. I just think that if you have the chance as a GM to get six players of your team to play, even when it's playoffs and not your best of six ... well just do it. Give some other Player on your team a chance. 

    Winning isn't everything but wanting to win is -_-

     

    WORD!

     

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    11 tuntia sitten, Playmaker kirjoitti:

    Well...I don't speak often but sometimes it's unbearable.

    Let me give you a fitting example. I played with Inter Iceland in the second round of the Pro Playoffs. We could not get our "main formation" set for three of the total six games played in this series. Actually two positions were filled with players who were not a part of the regular season whatsoever.

    - Did we try to prolong the affected games? No

    - Did we ask to play another time after starting off with two straight losses? No

    - was it the reason we lost the series? Probably not

    Of course this series does not get anywhere near the attention that Elite-Series get. But the rules are the same for Elite, Pro and Lite, aren't they? This is not supposed to be an offending reply. I just think that if you have the chance as a GM to get six players of your team to play, even when it's playoffs and not your best of six ... well just do it. Give some other Player on your team a chance. 

    Winning isn't everything but wanting to win is -_-

     

    This was true sportmanship from Inter Iceland and this is how all teams should act.
    In last ECL we had to play with roster that wasn't our main lineup as well.

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    SKY its not the only team here in ecl 5 that had to WO in the playoff. My team did also wanna have a extra gameday but rules are rules. Dont blame LA. Its our(capt) jobs to have 6 on ice gameday.

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